What I've Learned From Living in Ukraine

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I think from the outside looking in there's been a lot of complementary coverage on President Zelensky, but if you talk to Ukrainians this kind of follows from my previous point that Ukrainians have this long tradition of complaining quite loudly and publicly about their own government. I spoke to someone in Nipro which is in central Ukraine and has a large Russian-speaking population who was a little bit illustrative of this phenomenon. He said I didn't vote for Zelensky in the last election, but I've been really proud the way he has conducted himself as the leader of the country. That seems to be like a pretty common perspective that I've gotten from a lot of Ukrainians.

Tim Mak is a writer, reporter, and founder of the online publication The Counteroffensive. He was formerly the Washington Investigative Correspondent for National Public Radio.

In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Tim Mak discuss the slow progress of Ukraine’s counteroffensive and how a big breakthrough might come about; how the collective experience of resisting Russian aggression has contributed to a shared sense of Ukrainian national identity; and what the future may hold for a post-war Ukraine.

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