In this Podcast Extra, two computer scientists, Shobhana Narasimhan and Sana Odeh, join Nature's Anne Pichon to discuss the barriers that women and gender-diverse people still face when working in science, technology, engineering and mathematics.

They share their experiences and perspectives on the challenges facing women in research, and reflect on potential ways to move forward.

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