The Evolution of Science

I'm not really scared of heights, so I don't think that was a factor. And I never think of myself as particularly prissy, but I was concerned that I would get just, you're retrievably dirty in a tree. So yeah, I to talk about my interview with John a little bit now that we've established our baseline relationship personally with trees. It was so interesting to me. He's always written up as a physicist in having been a physics professor. But he started his ecological work first and that had led him to physics, not the other way around. Mm hmm. That we have so much deeper understanding of things.