The Seed Practice at Cleiner Perkins

We've used the phrase seed several times on this show, once to describe the seed practice with k pc b edge and again for audius. Can you describe what seed meant in what you were doing at cleiner perkins, and what seed meant when you raised a seed round? For audius, just cause now it's totally different. It even became different, i think, during that time. And it's just, it's just kept changing in the face of i remember when i was at finer, people were like, oh, my god, you know, a ten million dollar cap on a seed like this is nonsense. Like, how are we ever going to make money investing