This is why i love rogan and i this was five james for me like this. The end part of this podcast though got kind of dark when he started talking about what maybe death was. You know the computer program ends and you wake up as consciousness as a brain in a jar on a table. That's that's the lights out moment but for all you know it's you know brain in a jars right? He made simon believe in the matrix theory  which is an old theory the brain and vat theory, which we were taught to back up with data straight. We don't know if our simulation could end tomorrow but we do know it's 2018 2028.