Saks: I think it's becoming, and this is where the transition starts to happen, that a lot of people say, hey, over the long run, the temperature is going to go up by one degree Celsius over a century, who cares? Saks: We can't save the planet by destroying the economy. It seems to me that too many of these save the planet people want to take reckless extreme actions that would wreck our economy. You just saw actually Elon just gave a talk and made news this past week from Norway where he said that we still need oil and gas.