The biggest thing for me is are the founders able to attract other great people and hire them and listen to them? You know? So those are two different things. Insatiable appetite for knowledge, some of the best founders that I've worked with are people obviously, many of them have never been CEOs before. They just are... There's that iterative learning element of it. And it manifests itself in ways that they don't touch the same stove over and over again.

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