I've always been a great defender of the idea that Marx believed in human nature, and he was quite right to do so. It seems to me it behooves us to look after, maybe establish, defend and clarify those values - but not undermine them. I would reject the idea that culture and education are somehow ipso facto conservative. There is a conservative understanding of tradition. My point against Roger was there's also a radical understanding of traditions. But what left is this going to disagree with that? Yes, we have some questions now from the audience. Please wait for the mics to come to you.

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