The Ukrainians Are Willing to Consider a Push East Into the Donbas

The Donbas is the part of Ukraine that has in the most rail connections, and since the Russians fight by rail, they've actually been able to do fairly well over there for most of the war. For the Ukrainians to get the Russians out of Donbas, that's gonna be some heavy fighting. It sounds like it would be an unnarrally fight, but the reason that the Ukrainians are willing to consider it is that this is territory that the Russians captured from them in 2014. And if here we are a year and a half into the war, the Russians can even lose territory that they've held for 10 years. That, again, falls into that global humiliation category.