How Did You Get Your Papers in Order?

Aaron Miller: I was hoping to doing this episode document real life in Ukraine and I should have been more careful what I wished for we had a power cut and had to switch to the mobile network which was a little spotty at times. If you hear any differences in audio quality or any fragments of the conversation that it was interrupted a couple of times that's why let's jump back in. It went out two and a half hours ahead of schedule but they did warn that they would be off schedule for quite some time after the latest attack. There was this joke in Ukrainian Twitter which I loved a lot is like grandpa why do you do all your household chores in three hours okay whippers