The church generally, even not just in the west, is the biggest landowner. And with land owning comes labor exploitation, comes slavery. In vitogothic spain, in the early middle ages, a church has less and ten slaves is regarded as poor. So this is not just a question of the thinking with slavery. Slavery is there. Pen remad we never picked up on your opening point about slaves owning slaves, which is a distinct feature of the roman system. Aman, it goes to the point of that huge diversity of the material conditions under which slaves lived. Some slaves, some slaves, lived extraordinarily privileged lives in material terms. I wish you'd diduct

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