In the first half of this dual episode, Phantom co-founder Brandon Millman joins Unchained to break down why his Solana-first wallet is launching perpetual swaps, and why it chose to integrate with Hyperliquid over any Solana-native option.
Then, Bit Digitalâs Sam Tabar explains why the public company ditched its profitable Bitcoin mining business, went all-in on ETH, and what happened when he told Michael Saylor.
Phantom
Unchained: Phantom Wallet Launches Direct Perpetual Trading With Hyperliquid
Phantom blog post: Introducing Phantom Perps
Dragonflyâs Austin Marrazza tweet
Bit Digital
The Block: Bit Digital swaps entire treasury into Ethereum, says it's now a top public ETH holder after a $173 million splurge
Treasury companies
Timestamps: Phantom
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đŹ 0:00 Intro
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⥠1:36 Why Phantom is launching perpsâand why now was the moment to do it
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đ„ 6:08 How they landed on 40x leverage
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đž 7:48 How Phantom plans to make money from its new trading product
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đ« 8:50 Why U.S. users are left out (for now)
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đ 10:36 Why Hyperliquid won out over Solana-native DEXes
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âïž 12:55 Whether wallets and dapps are headed for a showdown
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đȘȘ 17:22 Why Brandon believes wallets will be the new gateway to crypto
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đ± 18:45 How social features could redefine the wallet experience
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22:45 What Brandon hopes Phantom becomes over the next five years
Timestamps: Bit Digital
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đ„ 26:35 Why Bit Digital ditched Bitcoin for Ethereumâand how Gary Gensler played a role
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đ° 28:31 How they walked away from a profitable BTC mining business
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đȘ 32:58 Why Sam says thereâs no better home for stablecoins than Ethereum
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đŁïž 34:09 What came out of Samâs surprising conversation with Michael Saylor about crypto treasuries
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đ€ 37:10 Whether ETHâs value accrual model needs a fundamental rethink
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đ 42:21 How Bit Digital plans to ramp up its ETH accumulation
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đ§ 44:40 What their new AI venture is really aiming to do
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