i want to take us back, not too far, but about a decade earlier in this episode, we were speaking about the way that the tea party in two thousand nine, two thousand ten, certainly with the help of a credulous med branded itself as capturing the so called populist anger of recession era america. And kind of what that era tells us about how moments of popular anger can't actually be channelled so often into really terrible things, as well as, as you've been talking about, potentially good things.

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