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The Stoic Mindfulness
When we say something like stoic mindfulness, the question is something like, were the stoics practicing mindfulness? Or are we trying to shove what the stoics were doing into this box that we've come up later or we've brought over from other traditions? And I think it really does come down to that framing you were talking about before, right? If you look at mindfulness as the training of attention and awareness, then absolutely the Stoics were doing mindfulness. But if you look at it as objective judgment, so not succumbing to value, not adding stories or ascending to kind of value judgments right away, then the stoICS were absolutely doing all three of these things.