In a them or us choice that the U.S. force may force on its allies, would it be easier if our values were closer with China? Is there a growing divergence between values which makes that them or us issue feel more urgent and hard? Well, let me illustrate in my response something that I experienced myself. When I was Foreign Secretary, you mentioned I was involved in the final stage of the Hong Kong negotiations with China. And I remember going to Beijing to see the Chinese Foreign Minister and I went through Hong Kong on my way there. He said, don't worry Mr Rifkin, we too believe in the rule of law. In China, the people must obey the