"It's inevitable that they're just helping realize something that always already was destined to emerge," he says. "We don't know one except these people who have decided, you know, we're going to largely use them for gilling machines and control systems or directing a lot of people's lives" He adds: "The outcomes that you might be uncomfortable with, the anxieties that you have about these things ... You just have to get with that because that's there's no other path forward."