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A mind-expanding conversation with Michael Pollan

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

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The Need for Travel as You Get Older

"This is the first time in 15 years I've not been doing daily news work," says John Sutter. "It's been amazing to see how differently I'm thinking, how deep the grooves of the way I kept up on the news were" The idea that you would consciously seek some kind of disordering of your mental habits makes a lot more sense to me now than it did at 60", he adds.

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