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Lenny was a good photographer and also took super eight footage and really good photo of everything happening at the time. And she still, she's still living there in Detroit. John is one of the most righteous people I've ever met without making a big deal about it. But he's kind of shocked to be at certain times. The MC5 were going to go to Chicago to play during the big showdown at the convention. They went to play in the park and he wanted the stooges to come and do it. He said, well, you're with us or you're not, you know, sort of thing. So so there was a little difference there. Was Johnson clear
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