I mean, his policies, you know, as a former union member, we should say as well, I think are unashamedly progressive. He talks about free school meals, increasing minimum wages, increasing teacher salaries, family tax credits. He's also been very outspoken on abortion rights, but I think the language that he uses is very carefully chosen. So last night at the rally, he talked about opponents of abortion rights as neighbors disagreeing. And he didn't explicitly reference women's rights, but he ended with this rousing reminder that what each family chooses to do is nobody else's goddamn business.

In Minnesota, we respect our neighbors and their personal choices that they make. Even if we wouldn't make the same choice for ourselves, there's a golden rule. Mind your own damn business. He is

very much of the left, and I think he's unapologetic, as you say, about feeding hungry kids. But he's also managed to find a language which appeals to people who might just hate all politicians, and want to hear somebody just say, know get the state out of my life is none of your business if you turn that into a policy on abortion it means stop interfering in women's reproductive rights and it's a clever sell than somebody standing there trying to explain weeks and terms and all the rest of it, which I think a more academic approach would have done. Will this become a millstone for him? You know, obviously, I think Trump and Vance at the moment are slightly reeling from the choice and trying to work out their line of attack. And yes, they will call him a socialist and they will say it's going to be a socialist agenda. And they've got to find the terms on which they're fight them. But I guess most of the things that he's sort of signed up to are things that Democrats have already pledged and want and are happy to see. So I don't think there are any shocks in this. You know, I guess what we're talking about is how wide he can stretch the net. And I think he will do that by the choice of his language, even if his policies might to some people, you know, be too far off the left. As I say, he's not ashamed about them. So I don't know. I don't know if it's it's not like he's kind of running around saying defund the police, right? He's running around saying feed kids.

But I think that that's the clever bit of it, if the Democrats play it well. The clever bit is, and you know, we have sort of delineated this discussion so far in let's talk about the character, let's talk about the policy. In character, it's going to bring in, hopefully for Democrats, older, whiter, male, you know, voters who have probably been seduced by Trump but might be won back by this gun owner, shooter, hunting, fishing, shooting guy. In terms of policy, it cements younger voters because they think, here is a guy who has done stuff in Minnesota that I quite like the look of. And if he's going to be the VP pick, then I quite fancy that. And even though I might have some doubts about Kamala Harris, so I thought, as I say, I thought she did a very good speech last night. I thought it was measured for the occasion. Yeah, she's travelled to light on policy. Yeah, what's she going to do about the southern border? Yeah, the economy. And those are the things that obviously she's going to have to talk a lot more about in the 90 days. But if you're sending a signal to younger voters that this ticket is much more solid, maybe not quite as pro-Israel, as it could have seemed if it was Josh Shapiro who'd been on the ticket, who is Jewish and unashamedly pro-Israel, then I think that possibly you are getting a win-win where you need to build out support, strengthen solidify support among young people, and also build out support among those groups that have stayed away from you. Yeah.