Speaker 3
don't think we should overstate how brilliant she was or anything because we watched it in the arena and there was a lot of enthusiasm. This is talking about her acceptance speech. And in as much as speeches are really important or they set the tone for these conventions or whatever i think it's worth noting that she she still has some way to go before anybody's talking about her as a kind of rhetorician of the ages for sure and
Speaker 2
for now it's just expectation management you know and i think that for a lot of people the expectations were relatively low yeah
Speaker 2
how relatively little she's set on the campaign trail so far, and also, you know, what the base that she was starting at was.
Speaker 1
Well, I guess that leads to another big question that I have, which is that can this current incarnation of the Democratic Party with Kamala Harris as the standard bearer, can it outlast the Trump era? I
Speaker 3
think that's a really good question because Harris, if she's going to win this election, and maybe she's already showing signs of this, needs to tap what is a very big anti-Trump movement in the country. And that's always been there. Biden struggled to resurrect it, I guess, or to revive it in the way that he had in 2020. But I don't know that it can last once or if she wins the election, because there are a lot of these Republicans who would just like their party back. And they want to do their thing and, and be Reaganite, whatever, Republicans, and they'll be back doing that once they think that the Trump or the MAGA movement has been vanquished. I
Speaker 2
mean, I don't think the MAGA movement is going anywhere. We're going to have Trumpism without Trump for a long time. That said, rewind the clock back to 2019 and 2020 when Kamala Harris was trying to become president for the first time. I thought we
Speaker 1
weren't doing that. We're not going back. We are not going back, but I'm going back to say that not
Speaker 2
that long ago, even though it's about 12 political lifetimes in a pandemic ago, the story of that election cycle was all about the Democrats fighting about whether or not they were going to be left, right, center. Who was going to be the standard bearer? Was it a Bernie Sanders version of the Democratic Party? Was it a Joe Biden version? Was it a Pete Buttigieg version? Was it Elizabeth Warren? And there is still a real diversity of views.
