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Pods are a different beast when it comes to entertainment as it compares to something like a news letter, totally. And i think people also want to hear the news delivered by people they like. So ultimatel i yu wat to grow, you're oton hout to do both of those things. Even podcass that i listen to, that would be framed as entrepener. Podcass, i actually don't listen to them because i'm looking for these lessons. I'm just like, i like hearing these people's voices. I like hearing their jokes. Ilike hearing them make fun of each other.