In the absence of meaning, we tend to fill up with pleasure seeking and pain avoidance. And so what this person is kind of saying is, like, in my mind, i cannot logically disco er fulfilment. Therefore i'm going to default to hedonism. So that's what we kind of do, right? We kind of fill it up that way. This is essentially, in a weird way, it's almost like dunning cruger. When we lack understanding, we fill it in with theory, right?