I never saw meaning in going and working a job and being there until I'm 65 and then quitting. It's like, wait, I'm supposed to go work every single day or at least five days a week for the rest of my life. And so I didn't have anything to anchor myself to to say, this is what gives me meaning. One of the big driving forces that I believe really saved our marriage was not only the attachment going on, that going all in did not happen overnight.

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