Casey: I think that for a user interface it needs to be basically predictable and when things are jumping around at you on you all the time it's infuriating. He says he is not as offended by drop shadows and whatnot but agrees with you that they make things harder to see which again is what you said I but moving stuff to the bottom thumbs up all this other junk yeah at best a sideways thumb and worse this thumbs downYeah because and to be clear like I'm not saying go back to the old toolbar  I recognize there's this is a limited amount of horizontal space to cram a certain number of controls in there once you have a bar although that being said the current