i'm just curious, you know, what other thoughtful, intelligent people like yourself think about these things and how they arrive there. Maybe it's more mythological truth i've been kind of plain with this idea of religious truths, political truths, mythological, scientific truths. I was having this conversation with gordan peterson - he's big into mythology and young and and anda and nichi and dostoyovsky. We noe were people who were pushing against a tide which i'm not sure would take us in the direction we wished to be. It's rubbish. Its those myths there are foundational to how we see ourselves in the world. In certain societies, those myths can

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