This episode, we talk to friend of the show and fellow pastor, Lachlan Harders. Lachlan is ministering up in the Gold Coast of Queensland, but because he's an AFL fan we won't hold that against him. At least, Josh won't. Jesse has no such affection for that strange form of football so Lachlan will have to get by him with his charm alone.

Nonsense aside, Lachlan brings a fascinating idea to the podcast: his thesis is that the church has, over time, formed a low view of itself. Hence, "low ecclesiology". If you didn't know, ecclesiology is:

1. The study of churches, especially church building and decoration, or 2. Theology as applied to the nature and structure of the Christian Church.   That's according to Google, anyway. The "low" part is how we view ourselves and the church. So, let's talk about that.
Editor's note - this episode was unfortunately subject to a technical issue that we weren't aware of when we recorded. Our usually-high standard of quality isn't as well reflected in this particular episode and for that we apologise. However, rest assured that the problem has been fixed and our future episodes will return to the quality you expect of them.