What do you think today is a good early stage marketing stack? And so let's say you're selling a product that's between 25 and 50k in terms of ACV. Is there sort of a favorite stack that you've kind of figured out after trying dozens of tools over the last few years? I'm a huge webflow fan in terms of building your website. HubSpot has been incredible. We didn't use it at Lattice, but I'm using it now at Doc.

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