In 2004, I just said in Martin came up to this idea of whatever I was doing and similar stuff was also being done by Scott Amblar. He basically put us both together and say, why don't you like this book, the refactoring databases, evolution of data is designed? So we then took all the changes that I was doing on projects,. like move columns, click column, active, flip table and codified them as a structure. And so when you're figuring out the new path somewhere, like you may encounter a bunch of problems as we go, right? And then we are just trying to find out solutions to those problems. That's where the whole concept

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