Nick bostrum has the idea, and is written very intelligently on the great pilter, for those who aren't aware of it. And i think that for people who want our civilization to grow and go on, we have to kind of assume its in front of us. That's a big challenge, because i believe that we have gotten too far into the sort of rationalistic part of the world. The creativity that is everywhere now is bursting forth from maybe different places, but what happens? How long a conversation is this, and who takes part in it? If we take that last point about creativity, you can make a bull in a back case for where we are to day