Tamice Spencer-Helms, speaker, theologian and author of the book, Faith Unleavened: The Wilderness
Between Trayvon Martin and George Floyd, sits down with Tim to discuss her book. Tamice
explains her background in the black church and how she ended up at a white church. Tim and
Tamice discuss how white Jesus represented the system of whiteness in the church. Tim and Tamice discuss
the definition of whiteness. Lastly, they discuss how white Christians can become effective allies to black Americans.
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