John Woodman is the name of the character Solveau but I don't know if it's based on real guy, but he's still stuck in that mentality. The jogger on the side of the blackberry which was like a little wheel right you could jog it up and down. He was like little design elements come into play there which I love because product does matter right. It also was the the birth of the gadget era. So the Sony Walkman was like a gadget but it was one of one in the world. But then slowly people started to make other devices gadgets that you couldn't really interact with these devices mobile devices were like alerts. We of course talk about paved

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