
Matt & Seamus Coughlin WASTE 5 Hours | Ep. 402
Pints With Aquinas
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The Late Years of the Atheist Fad
"I learned in a way that I hadn't ever fully internalized that hell is real and that I could go there," he says. "Something happened like right after my 20th birthday that helped me to understand that things are permanent." He was fascinated by the work of Christopher Hitchens, but at one point just 'didn't believe'
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