I Planned out this studio that you see and the idea of having a podcast for six months before I launched it in September 2020 Which literally that's kind of weird. It just started really like Episode 16 when my buddy Mitch Laxamana Who is very responsible for me like even looking at this kind of world and doing this kind of stuff? That's a separate story, but we I brought him in and he and I had a really deep fucking cool conversation. The thing that I always try to get across when people are asking me questions like this is like they think I had like This genius like I'm gonna do this and then by episode 145 meet you cock is gonna come here. No

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