I want to share something that I think will be helpful in the thinking about the wisdom intelligence relationship, which is not saying how we enact it. If people have not watched the conversations that David Beaum and Krishna Murti had together back in the day, I would recommend them as some of the most useful, valuable, beautiful recordings of human conversation I've ever seen. And then Ian McIlcrest, who I think you are going to have on your show, or maybe already have, if not, definitely introduce us, but keep going. We could go for a biology and Ferris's eight hour record on one recording. No, I'm not going to do that. What

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