The US and France Are Leading a More Realistic School in Terms of Ukraine

The UK is actually more aligned with Eastern European countries who are right on the border of Russia, like Poland. I think that really, again, going back to the US because in the sense, of course, it's the most important actor in this tragedy. So you see the US and France and to an extent Germany sort of leading a more realistic school in terms of Ukraine. And for them, what Martin was is China, China, China. But they want to get it as soon out of it as soon as possible,.