Andi: There is this bundling that happens, i think, in my sector, a between recognizing systemic problems and injustices. And believing the only answer is some sort of state runs, government run, top down effort of solution. I wonder if you could speak more to that anand expand even beyond just the black church. What can white americans do in their own civil society institutions? rachel: A great question. We simply need to face we have problems weher, even though they were caused by the government, that cannot be fixed by the government.