Will the Lonely Voices Keep Winning Out?

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Ashamanji: I want to end this conversation on an optimistic node, but evthe moment, i feel torn. So do you think we'll get that? You think that something that this rising generation of tins and twins will push for? And if not, won't the loud voices keep winning out? Well, yasha, if you and i and your many listeners have anything to do with it, the teans and twens will get there, because they have the intrinsic motivation,. Not every last one of them, but certainly, both from research and from my own experiences, i see that they are intrinsically motivated not label, not to reduce one another. It's going

Irshad Manji has a lot of experience in trying to persuade those who really don’t want to be persuaded.

Early in her career, Irshad wrote two influential books that advocated for a reformed Islam. In conversations with religious conservatives around the world, she found that a combative style did not help her win adherents for her cause; instead, she started to acknowledge their views—before proudly arguing for her own. Now, Irshad runs the Moral Courage project, a pedagogical approach that hopes to make progress on contested issues like racism without shaming its participants.

On the latest episode of The Good Fight, Yascha Mounk talks to Irshad about why we should not judge those who disagree with us; how we can hope to persuade them of our own positions; and why we should be more optimistic about America’s future than is now fashionable.

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