Daron: We climb the evolutionary ladder and then we kick it away, right? Ya yais that, daron, some point that is ingrained into us in a very basic way. And we can sort of take in our values from that process without necessarily giving in to the first impulses that that process leaves us. Leaves us with this. Rit i think the way that you put it, which was very vivid and helpful, was, you know, we climbed the evolutionary ladder  and then we kicked it away,. Right? Well, but what it means is, well, so i guess i should be asking you, what does it mean when push comes to shove? You did

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