Bodybuilders, You Know, You Can't Lose Fat While Insulin Is Elevated

I'm not sure how people in the keto camp or the low carb community continue to believe that you can't lose fat while insulin is elevated. It just seems very obvious that that fat loss can be, can occur while you're consuming carbohydrates. You just have to be in a calorie deficit. So it's like way more complicated than insulin and calorie intake; hormone levels are only about 10% of the overall equation.