I'm deeply interested in your practical discipline of capturing joy. You talk about this kind of delight muscle that we can hone and you say that the more you study delights, the more delights there are to study. Where do people begin? Who believe what you say, but the muscle is not, it's not working at the point. I've been like touring a lot with this inciting joy book. And so I've been having a lot of conversations for the first time in a while in person with people who read the delights. It's just bearing witness to the reality.

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