The Importance of Mutual Aid

I think that's very that is something we should consider very strongly when we're looking at these things right I think it also strips the like the person to person aspect of mutual aid from mutual aid. You know once you have a once you have state welfare you have concepts of access through citizenship and that reinforces the idea that there's a there's a right of access and then there's an exclusion that necessarily follows from that, he says. The relationship becomes much more transactional rather than which is the way that the mutual aid is is couched in in the anarchist lexicon according to him.