Italy Was Not a Nation-State

What if the Renaissance wasn’t a rebirth at all, but a survival strategy dressed in marble and Latin? We sit down with historian and novelist Ada Palmer to unwind the stories that turned a chaotic, war-ridden Italy into a “golden age” and explore why those stories still shape our politics, schools, and museums. Ada shows how nineteenth-century nationalism carved custom Renaissances for each country, how rulers redefined legitimacy as “having Roman stuff,” and why art, libraries, and Latin became tools of intimidation in a Europe full of insecure thrones.

Step inside Florence with a visiting envoy and feel how a courtyard of emperor busts, a child reciting Greek, and a bronze that looks alive can flip alliances overnight. Follow the printing press not as a spark but as a response to a library boom, amplified by Venice’s trade networks and the first book fairs. Track how Europe exported “no columns, no culture” across empires, pushing colonized elites to argue their rights in Ciceronian Latin because that was the only language of power the conquerors respected. And watch the myth of superiority assemble itself, piece by piece, into a worldview that still colors public debate.

Ada also challenges the feel-good claim that destruction breeds creation. Michelangelo’s own letters describe years lost to stress and war; peace and stability, not crisis, are what grow output and invention. Think of history as a river: trickles, leaf-widths, canoe-widths, all real beginnings depending on what you measure. Along the way, we touch on Machiavelli’s brutal eyewitness era, the Ottoman refusal to play a game Italy would always win, and the practical mechanics of censorship—past and present—that rarely resemble Orwell.

If you’re ready to rethink the Renaissance, question neat timelines, and see how propaganda becomes common sense, this conversation will give you new lenses. Subscribe, share with a friend who loves history myths, and leave a review with the one “truth” about the past you’re now willing to revisit.

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