She was a member of the faculty at apple university, and before let atsons utube and double click teams at cog. So what should i say, except that i'm supersupousreal to have bose, fantastic and super accomplished women here with me. Treer and cim, welcome to the show. Thank

you for having us. Thanks

so much. It's an honor to be here with you.

I'm really, really excited. It's also the first interview for me were i have like two guests here on my sher. So'm soim super excited. And i normally start my show with asking my guests how they actually landed in ta. So a little bit about your journey. And here, i think it's really interesting, because you both have such a wild, little bit wild and very diverse backgrounds. So fer, i want to start wih you. You served in the united states air force, like, i mean, this already makes me wilrit and you let engineering teams there. How did you get into us? Air force, and how did you get into softe engineering? And how was that experience for you? Ye,

i actually got into the air force through by attending the air force academy. So i attended the air force academy for four years for college, and then got missioned as an officer. And i actually ended wanted to be an engineer. I majored in systems engineering because my dream job was actually to work on the planes, the future planes that the air forts was going to build, and take feedback from the pilot to make changes. That's not what i ended up doing. I antedem doing sidver security. But that's what i wanted to do, and here we are oin

sive security. So did

you do that at the u? Som us. Air force, or where did youyouo do that? I did that. I did that for seven years active duty in the air force, iver security, primarily defense. So preventing adversaries from getting into the us. Militaries networks.