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Live in New York City with veteran China journalist Ian Johnson

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China's Relationship With Russia

The best explanation for China's behavior with Russia is that they're I guess the English translation would be like huddling together for warmth Balthar, Tuanuan. They both feel themselves to be very much on the out and you know, out from that the clubby West, right? So they're sort of huddling on the outside to keep each other warm, not out of any enduring affection for one another, but just for the body warmth.

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