I liken it to surfing. If you've ever been surfing, it's the most addicting in the world. I don't know if I need to experience that, then. That's why I love working with people who want more is because I love how real they are. How practical was like, how can I take a spiritual experience and, and, and make a, make that the foundation for a practical life where I can make a different impact on someone else? For me, if you don't, you can't conversate,. you can't relate, then you can't connect and it just doesn't work. So. When, when did that start for you? Like

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