Andy: All that matters is creating value so just put something out there be willing to get the really critical feedback to get better and then evolve from there. If you are an evil henchman at a big corporation building crappy shit stop doing that toojust put your job and start being an evil. I'm a lollar thanks a ton for coming on the pod can you let listeners know where they can go to find out more about what's up to you uh velvet yes velvet.cash and my domain is mlolar.com if you want to follow future indie hacker type articles all right thanks again.