I get the impression that people who are advocates for this really think that they're not just discovering something new about their brains or their selves, but about the nature of reality. And I'm very skeptical about that. So they might have some insights about thenature of nature, possibly. But then you also have these, there's a lot of pseudo science that comes into this space,. A lot of magical notions and a lot of contradiction that you hear as well.

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