Edgar Casey in the 50s, there was a book written called There is a River and he was a psychic in Virginia Beach, Virginia. He said that when he laid down to do move into this state of unconsciousness that he would move into, he said his spirit would contact the spirit of the person asking the question. Well, you know, he called it my spirit, bearing witness with the spirit. It was that kind of a thing. But the things that he started talking about really gave us something to work with. My husband was a physician too. And so we joined the ARE and actually created the ARE clinic in Phoenix. That's where so many of the holistic things back

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