How Do You Upset the Apple Cart?

i haven't seen, up until this last year, a lot of widespread, kind of outrage about the clear cutting. And they'll hide it so that it's not as obvious, cause they know it upsets people. One way that we upset the apple cart is by bringing people out to these places. That looked like disrupting and disobeying a federal closure order in order to bring people out there. We get people to see these places, so that it cuts through the gas lighting that the industry is doingand l can literally viscerally feel and see the damage em.