The Importance of Connecting

"I feel like I've got this box full of ambitions that's constantly overflowing is just like, it's got to fit in our relationship," he says. "If my wife and family were, didn't exist or were robots that had no feelings, then I would be like, Hey man, let's work on Saturday and Sunday." He adds: "It's not certain surfing brings me a lot of joy, but ... creating is more fun than surfing"